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but hitting is violent mate…Uechi is a nonviolent circular art. It’s only violent if you get caught up in the circle.
Hey anyone want to sing kum bi ya?
Good post Marcus, I agree with you. In reviewing my last post I think I left the wrong impression on BJJ so I’ve reworded things a bit.
Generally in BJJ most players can walk the walk. Anyone in karate can have a bad day. Anyone can be over powered out out speeded or get caught with their hands down, but generally I believe that folks with highter ranks must have better skills than lower ranks. I have witnessed many folks who are seriously underskilled in the fighting department wearing all types of rank. Small wonder when some schools of karate are so friggin deadly that you can’t even dummy things down for a sporting try. :roll::roll::roll: They are doing the real deal and are just to friggin deadly to test what they do.
In my experience it’s these untested, superior real killing machines where we find the bulk of these questionably ranked folks.
They may have issues force their way thru wet paper. They are rank at any rate!
I am disgusted by them, martial arts are first and formost martial. If one never fights how can they be a martial artist. Ohh right fighting is killing.:o:karate::ninja:
Well the journey is entertaining at any rate! I once encountered a dojo were the students were also professional artists , they made their living with their hands. As a result they could not risk the art by possibly injuring their hands in a fight. They only do non contact fighting there. How convient, that those who lack the backbone can always dream up an excuse not to. Small wonder we have folks highly ranked who can’t do schit, we let them away with it.
I suspect one of the reasons we don’t see this problem in BJJ is everyone competes and if you don’t somone comes calling and your exposed for what you are. What happened to dojo raids? Once the world got all politically correct the standards in many systems just seemed to have vanished.
Christ someone needs to do a dojo raid on me. I’m old and fat , I do lumbering-ryu and my student’s don’t do real Uechi. Someone needs to reign me in before I hurt the system!
Thanks for the bandwith, I feel better!
[Edited on 19-4-2008 by Laird]
[quote:1rmq1b1n]Would that mean that in BJJ, belts/ranks are “awarded” by virtue of tournament ability, to be “defended” in the manner of a wrestling or boxing “title-belt” like the big “championship belts” they get?[/quote:1rmq1b1n]
No Neil rank is hard earned in BBJ. It is a long slow process. To put a stripe on a white belt 2 years, to advance to the next belt colour about three. Most folks with ten years of training who have trained ten plus hours per week might have made it to purple belt; Black belts are usually 15 years of training at this intensity. Many, many tournaments will have been competed in at this point. You must demonstrate the ability to apply your skills against a resisting opponent, there is no way around this requirement.
Yes a belt might be awarded after a tournament, but the professor has observed the student for years watch the progress and skill development. Belts are not handed out unless the professor is positive the student has progressed.
Camaraderie is big in grappling styles, For example:
One of the white belts in my training group had about 2.5 years in; he was doing well in amateur grappling tournaments. He had just competed in and won his first professional MMA bout. He was skilled he weighted in at 150 and he tied all of us 220 pound karate guys in knots when we rolled with him.
While at a seminar the head of our system Professor Behring noted his skill, and suggested to our teacher that he promote the lad to the next rank.
Our teacher responded yes he is ready but I will not promote him until the rest of his peer group is also ready to be promoted. You see we have an obligation to our training partners to develop their skills as well as our own. This is why our professor insisted on folks who started at approximately the same time came through the ranks together. The lad had trained for 2.5 years for his first belt, 6 more months would not matter. He had an obligation to help bring his other partner along with him.
Now BJJ also has the Mcdojoâs cropping up.Same as everyone else. Gven the popularity of the system and the sucess in the ring. lots of folks dabble in the ground. however when you get a Bb fron BJJ thats ussually what you get, someone with skills!
http://www.lauritamartialarts.com/pdf/B … ements.pdf
The 2 year path to a black belt is a bit quick from my experience, but as you can see this gentlement does have an etched in stone skills to rank program. they are not tossing out belts on a whim.
.[quote:1rmq1b1n]I wouldn’t think that Karate rank-belts are like a prize that has to be defended or can be taken away, lost in a tournament, although maybe in some styles ( like BJJ) they are?[/quote:1rmq1b1n]Belts are not taken away in tournaments in BJJ Neil. However maybe belts should be defended!
Marcus and I have commented on this in the past. We are disgusted by people who can not fight in the martial arts. If you canât defend your belt against a lower rank you should lose it.
Hell maybe we should just give everyone presently training a while belt covered in black stripes. Give the new folks a white belt with no black stripes. Now every time you fight someone and beat them you peel off a stripe and put it on your belt.
I think it would take about 3 three years to sort out the pecking order.
I also awarded a Brown belt after the tournament last year. I do not formally test until Black belt and then itâs under the IUPA with a multi organizational test board.
I had been watching Mike for about 6 months thinking he had progressed very well, he had a good grasp on things, but he had always been a bit light in the fighting. I wanted to promote him but I was still not positive his fighting skills were up to a level acceptable to our standards. Mike always gives up about 40 or more pounds in a fight. I decided that if he could prove he had improved in his ability to defend himself at the tournament in Edmonton Iâd promote him.
Well he didnât get any bigger. This little green belt came 2nd in the full contact event, managed some wins against larger2nd/3rd Dan competitors only losing to the tournament winner. At the end of it I tossed his brown belt because he proved to me he could defend himself.
He said nice ceremony; I said do you want a fancy ceremony or something youâve truly earned? He tied the belt on with a smile.
Now Jim Maloney once awarded me a belt and challenged all in attendance that if they didnât think I deserved it that they should come up to the front of the dojo and try and take it from me. That kind of stuck with me. I donât hold much with rank, but if you are going to wear rank you better be able to defend it.
I fully expect all of my students to be able to defend what ever belt they wear against lesser ranked folks from any school. If they canât they donât deserve it and I shouldnât be teaching.
[Edited on 19-4-2008 by Laird]
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My Uechi: Strategically it might be described as âClose Control Finishâ. My Uechi involves lots of joint attacks and lots of neck cranks. I think the neck is one of the most effective leverage points on the body. Striking on entry is used to elicit a movement from the target to position them for better control. Striking to finish is preferable when the target is tied up and controlled.
Marcus:
The counter to the key lock.
Like everything it’s in the timing, if someone is already cranking on your shoulder its kind of too late.
From the mounted position:
When your opponent goes for the lock they move their weight off of you and out over the arm they are attacking.
When they make their move you have some space so roll towards the arm they have decided to attack . This puts you up on your side and shoulder, but more importantly it brings your other arm closer to the arm thats being attacked. Grab the hand of the arm being attacked and pull it in as tight to your body as you can.
This will trap the opponents hand. It also causes the opponent to fall on their face or shoulder as the arms attacking are their base . Now roll the other direction away from the attack. And drag the opponent over your body as you roll away.
I caution you to do this the first few times very slowly and with co-operation. In rolling over to throw your opponent you will crank on a very hard wrist lock. If you go slow most guys tap, if you go fast they might tap after the wrist is broken <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/" alt="
” title=”Big Grin” />If your opponent applies a thumbless grip to apply the keylock you end up attacking the wrist with this escape. If your opponet just grabs wrist with an opposing thumb finger grip you will break their thumb in this escape. In either case the attack to your opponet is very quick and their body weight leverages the joint attack. The faster you roll away the more pain and damage they will suffer.:bad:
The escape from a Key Lock in side control is pretty much the same. I’m sure you can work it out on the mat.
I’m still looking something effective to counter this attack while in someones guard.
[Edited on 11-12-2006 by Laird]
[b:2xhwt43y]Dave chow Rocks![/b:2xhwt43y]
Not all Sensei are comfortable working with guest instructors or exploring new material with their students. My hats of to Dave for making it possible for his students to step out of the box and learn this material. Just shows his commitment to bring them skills that may make the diference in a violent encounter.
Martial arts is about learning and networking to improve ones short commings. It’s great to see the folks in Edmonton getting together for everyones benifit.
I’ll be up on Wed and Thursday, Look forward to rolling with everyone!
Ricks right it is tons of fun. Just finished a 3 hour BJJ seminar , followed by a 1.5 hour security personel seminar for the local bouncers. I’m going to be sore tomorrow, hell, I’m sore now! But I’m happy!:roll:
If you bend the leg the tendon pops and provides a good handle. Bas Rutten trick.
Too bad your not hairy, you could just hang onto the fur:lol:
Welcome aboard Kev.
Hey Check this out, a counter to the K lock counter we worked out.
http://www.jeanjacquesmachado.com/totw/?detectqt=false&
it’s endless;)
[quote:1r6f465k][i:1r6f465k]Originally posted by matahatchi[/i:1r6f465k]and there are many roads to the top of the mountain, but only a few bull elk to shoot when you get there.
mat[/quote:1r6f465k][quote:1r6f465k][i:1r6f465k]Originally posted by Rick Wilson[/i:1r6f465k]Mat Iâll keep my eyes on look out for those Bull Elk.<img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/" alt="
” title=”Wink” />[/quote:1r6f465k]Man you guys are making me nervous!
Laird aka the Ugly Elk
:bounce::bounce::bounce:
[Edited on 8-12-2006 by Laird]
Iâm Laird, and Iâm a bit of a keyboard commando. When Iâm not fighting ninjaâs from the safety of my keyboard I can occasionally be found actually training. :ninja: I probably spend as much time as a keyboard warrior as I do training, I find martial discussion groups to be a valuable learning tool.
I started my martial journey in the late sixties with a brief exposure to judo in Zwiebruken Germany. In the early seventies I started playing with aikido. Now it wasnât killer Green Beret stuff, it was just two guys in a basement armed with one of Bruce Tegnerâs books trying to work stuff out..
(Man that guy wrote about everything)
I really didnât get serious about the martial arts until the late seventies. I started training Uechi-ryu under Sensei Maloney in Halifax. Clayton Hickey and Dave Ryan were also helping out with the teaching back then. I originally joined the dojo to get in shape to play lacrosse again. Well I ended up doing Uechi six days a week. I got in better shape but I never played in a lacrosse league again. I was hooked on Uechi!:karate:
Unfortunately employment got in the way and I had to leave Nova Scotia to work and I never trained Uechi for many years. I checked out several Karate clubs but none of them measured up to Jimmyâs place in Halifax. I trained some Judo again in the Ottawa area, under some of Takahashiâs students, but moved again. I continued to wander for the next 10 to 15 years. I carried 2 pair of boxing gloves around in the trunk and would box when ever I found someone who wanted to go.:roll:
I eventually let my Uechi training lapse, eventually I stopped boxing as well. For about ten years I did no martial arts at all. I felt guilty about it when I got into conversation with another martial artist.
In 99 I started training Uechi again. It was difficult at first with no sensei, but eventually I hooked up With Rick Wilson and got the guidance I needed. :bounce::bounce::bounce:
I opened a dojo about two years ago in Banff. Marcus, aka Stryke, the international dojo consultant gave me a hand getting it off the ground.
The Banff dojo does Uechi, a wee bit of boxing and some ground work.
A few a months ago we hooked up with the local Kyokushin Club and started bring a BJJ teacher to town. All members of the Banff Uechi Dojo also belong to the Banff BJJ club. Itâs kind of nice to be the student again and not be responsible for teaching. Iâm having a blast!
People who have had major influence on my Uechi have been, Sensei Maloney, Sensei Wilson, Sifu Marcus Murray. Van Canna and Mike McGuire have had a huge impact on my mindset.
And thatâs my story.
[Edited on 6-12-2006 by Laird]
