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Yeah good scrappers, they are all over the place now. Ryan is in Nelson, think he’s still doing BJJ. Mike is in Halifax and is still doing bjj.(married with a kid) He cuts weight to compete at 180 these days, he’s a lot bigger and stronger than he was. Carl in Montreal working as a guard.(has a lady and a little boy) Kevin is in Montreal.(married) Anthony is in Calgary managing a red water grill. Ian is in England doing akido. Chris is in Stafford married and running shiver me timber. Marcus is back in paradise and married. Amos is back in Banff married and working as a sous chef. life appears to have gone well for the crew. Thank god for facebook or I wouldn’t know what happened to most of them.
Your absolutely correct Adam going for a gun is a long shot, a gamble you never want to make. The only reason to attempt to is if your close enough to try and your convinced your about to be shot. Some criminals have figured out the dead don’t testify. Problem with going for the gun is if you fail you most likely will be shot.
I’ve faced the wrong end of a firearm on two occasions. I didn’t make a play for the gun. So I’m like one of those priest from mars…I don’t know shit, I have never snatched a weapon in real life. Actually when you think about it everyone is peddling BS to some extent. All the kungfu guys teaching shit….well none of them were part of the palace guards. All the Kav Maga guys…don’t think many of them were part of the IDF. All the guys that are part of the art that the rangers or the marines based their system on…well they ain’t rangers or marines. Its call fabricating a reputation. Rub elbows with the real deal, hang certificates on the wall, pictures with the experts etc. It’s how one builds their myth and markets them selves.
Funny we get people posturing as police trainers yet they don’t even consider the weapons carried by an officer when they present them with techniques to use. The LEO community is not to interested in trained responses that offer the weapons on the belt to the threat. Just a moment of clarity I’ve been having of late, but our community is rather full of it’s self and lots of pretending occurs. So take everything with a grain of salt.
It’s your ass on the line so double check everything.
I’ve done some Uechi and boxed a wee bit. Both systems use both hands so as a result I use both hands when going for a gun. I think methods of pinning a firearm and striking are a good way to end up with an unwanted hole in your body. Going for the gun is the final gamble and it’s a bet you must win. Two hands and full body mechanics are required.
I pretty much use the system that Jim Maloney teaches. It’s strong and simple. Shift off line grab the back of the slide back by the hammer.Think of the lead hand of the wauke doing the guide block. Grab the barrel from underneath with the other hand and rotate the barrel towards the bad guy. If you get an accidental discharge you want him to get shot and not you. You are pulling the rear end of the gun towards you while pushing the barrel towards the threat. the barrel will clear the forearm. The grip fails. You can create space by shoulder bumping or smoking the threat in the face with a few pounds of steel. Sliding steps to the rear while putting the piece back into batter. That’s the one hand method.
The two hand on the gun strip is similar, Grab the back moving off line grab the front and begin the rotation. jump a bit off the floor and drive the gun down between the center of the guys two arms. This will break his grip because of the leverage and body weight you introduce, it’s like tiring to hold 250 pound with suddenly bent thumbs. I tend to come over the top with an elbow strike at the same time which creates lots of space because your landing on the strike. If this fails the guy will attempt to pull the gun back so you help him by driving the barrel into the groin or face.
I’ll try to see if I can scrape up some video.
Ha! Good find Rick. I’ve lost access to all the clips they are on two dead computers one of these days I’ll take them to a techie and see if we can recover any of the clips and 8500 images locked in the machines. Think the clip was Carl’s first week with us…he came a long way. I regret not testing him for his black belt he was fairly competent at the end. I miss Carl and Anthony had lots of fun training with those lads.
The wauke was the greatest gift I stole from Uechi. I’m surprised that so many that practice the art have never bothered to unwrapped the gift for them selves. One would think that after all those years of training to pluck punches from the air only to discover that they can’t do it in a real situation a few might have started tinkering with the gift that keeps giving.
Though I did hear a rumor that someone ripped off a drill and re named it the wauke kumite or the wauke bunkai and is offering 500 dollar seminars to share the secrets of the art. Yeah carefully who you trust! Rick nothing ever changes and our good friend Marcus is a glutton for punishment. However he was most polite and pretty much ignored,I’m not surprised those folks treated me like the Rodney Dangerfield of the martial arts.
Rick their is nothing in that group that will change. They are invested in being the unchanging way. Allow them to continue on their path undisturbed. Seeing the group is so large I will not use their name, I feel any association with them clouds the perception of what I teach.
Well life got in the way. Found my self out of the house for a few weeks then my mother passed and I had to go to Ontario to plan a funeral and wind up her affairs. I’m back now, I’ll address the concept of disarms tomorrow. In the mean time here is something for people considering firearms training to ponder.
Rory talks about it…how folks train for the violence they imagine they might face but don’t train for the violence they will face, because most people are clueless as too what violence is.
This is rampant in the white PJ crowd, folks train in kata that no one understands, the holes in the system are filled in zen babble bullshit. People train the prearranged drills and believe they are learning to fight…then show up year after year at sporting events and get the crap kicked out of them. They fail to be competitive, I suspect when faced with real violence most would just turtle and weather the storm and beg god to save them, because it’s around this time they will suddenly realize they don’t know how to defend themselves.
Rather than change the training they stop competing…why? They have two much time invested in what they do, rather than change they lie to themselves and continue to do what they do.
This is how performance art or historical dance societies are created. People stop pressure testing and posture superior “we are doing the authentic unchanged art!” WTF! Martial arts should constantly improve and evolve if the teaching and training is valid.
Same thing happens in shooting as well. The tactical ninja who always squares to the target and shoots the pistol from a perfect isosceles stance is wasting training time. They think they understand how to gun fight or how to train for self defense. The air soft, paintball, the tactical cool crowd are engaging in martial masturbation, and it’s rampant, the world’s biggest circle jerk! Too much TV , too much time pretending to be a soldier, instead of training for the gun fight you may face.
Why do police and soldiers square up to the target in an isosceles shooting position? Well to start with they tend to wear body armor so being square to the threat ensures your heart is behind a ceramic plate when engaging a threat. I shoot with some military folks who place the butt of their carbine in the center of their chest. They rest it in the center of their ceramic chest plate. Why? Good question I asked too!
I was told a story about a buddy of two of the guys who got shot in Afghanistan. He wasn’t square to the threat that engaged him. He took one in the armpit while firing at someone else. (No body armor for armpits. ) The bullet entered his armpit, passed thru his pectoral muscle, hit his class 4 ceramic chest plate, deflected back into his chest, passing thru the heart and lodging in the spine. He was pretty much dead before he hit the ground. (Death by body armor, tough luck.)
The concept is to stay square to the threat as it presents the largest portion of armor to the threat. The butt of the carbine is placed on the center of the top section of the chest plate carrier. Feet shoulder width apart and parallel, one hand on the pistol grip to engage the trigger. The other arm stretched out straight as possible with the thumb over the bore to control muzzle rise. Both eyes are left open to sight thru the optics or sight. This also offers the bonus of aiding peripheral vision something very important in a fluid battle. It also creates a shooting posture that makes the shooter square to the target!
This is what the tactical nerds attempts to emulate. Or some versions demonstrated by some actors on the tube who do not shoot and may actually never have held a gun before.
What’s wrong with this? Well to start with most of the folks training for a self defense are probably not going to be wearing body armor in a self defense situation. So the concept of being square to the threat only serves to offer the threat a larger target. The tactical nerd should be learning to shoot off hand strong side and weak side; they should be working on shooting from compromised postures, as they most likely will be engaging the target while behind cover. Shooting off hand allows the shooter to be sideways to the threat offering a much narrower target.Like the martial arts effective training must involve responding from compromised positions.
The tactical nerd is as effective as the sword jumpers in white pajamas when things hit the fan; they discover the skill set they developed may not address the reality of the violence they face.
455 would be a cartridge designed for the old Webley revolvers. Mostly used by common wealth countries in WW1 And partly in WW2 also used by law enforcement. Obsolete cartridge(out of production) 455 colt would be the same thing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.455_Webley
http://cartridgecollectors.org/?page=introduction-to-455-cartridges
the following 45 caliber cartridges are current:
45 ACP stands for 45 automatic colt pistol and goes in pretty much any automatic pistol chambered for it. Smith and Wesson periodically produces revolver that runs on moon clips that will allow the cartridge to be used, the Model 625. Hard to find I’d love to own one!
45 long colt is designed for single action revolvers (think cowboy action) and will also chamber in the Taurus judge line of pistols.
And just to scare the hell out of you
http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/143635-455-vs-45-acp.htmlOhh and if you didn’t understand why the slide grab doesn’t work on the 22 NEOS the first few minutes of this lad reviewing his should make it rather evident….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlWqM_ftSDU
Actually before I address gun strips I’ll chat a bit about tactical ninjas, What are Tactical Ninjas? It’s the men in white pajamas type that is prevalent in karate cycles unfortunately they also abound in firearms training circles… Rory hits the nail on the head when he talks about people training to face their perception of violence. Now we have non military types teaching gun-jujitsu. Yup that’s what I want when my ass is on the line some air-soft commando teaching me how to survive. That being said the lads in the clips can run a platform. I like lots of their stuff….but it’s just a bunch of lads who have never seen an elephant describing one to you. They might be adept with firearms but they are not adept at CQC. (And they don’t claim to be…they are simply presenting the concept that slides fail sometimes if the cycle gets interrupted.)
What if you don’t have a weapon?
1) Well then you have chosen to be a victim!
What if you are faced with a firearm and don’t have a weapon?
Well your pretty much dead unless your facing an idiot! See number 1)
The proper response to a gun pointed at you is to discharge your own.. ripping two large penetrating holes in the center of mass of the individual presenting a threat to your well being! But don’t stop at two; stop when the threat doesn’t appear to be threat!
However if your keen to put on white pajamas and dance, or your tactical ninja dance queen apparel and posture cool…well I’ll give you some time to get dressed.
I’ll give you a day to slip into your appropriate attire and we will chat a wee bit about what to do when you show up at the dance and your not prepared to dance. But what ever you do don’t grab a slide and expect to live.
So we got gun function covered in what was utilized in the clip. However not all firearms function the same and not all cool dudes are the tactical ninja they pretend to be. “Cole’s Notes Version”…Don’t learn to fight hand to hand from someone who has never been in a fight. Don’t learn to gun fight from someone who has not trained to or been a gun fight. What ever you do don’t learn to snatch a weapon from a tactical ninja. I’m cool but I’ve never been in a fight or served in an army…I’m army want a bee. Bad source!
http://www.wholesalesports.com/store/wsoo/en/Categories/Hunting/Firearms/Handguns/U22-Neos/p/218440B
Slide is in the rear of the weapon and is in the middle grab the barrel and it will cycle round after round.
So we got gun function covered in what was utilized in the clip. However not all firearms function the same and not all cool dudes are the tactical ninja they pretend to be. “Cole’s Notes Version”…Don’t learn to fight hand to hand from someone who has never been in a fight. Don’t learn to gun fight from someone who has not trained to or been a gun fight. What ever you do don’t learn to snatch a weapon from a tactical ninja. I’m cool but I’ve never been in a fight or served in an army…I’m army want a bee. Bad source!
Yes it works with pistols. The way the semi auto pistol works is when a bullet is fired part of the energy produced is utilized to cycle the slide. It is this cycling of the slide that allows the firearm to fire again. The complete cycle ejects empty brass, cocks the firearm and reloads the firearm.
If the slide does not cycle to the rear the empty brass cartridge will not be ejected from the chamber.
The function of the slide moving to the rear ejects spent the casing,it also cocks the hammer. The function of the slide moving forward is to pick up a round off the top of the magazine and insert it into the chamber.
The pistol in the video fails to fire because it still has an empty brass casing in the chamber.Their is nothing to go boom even if the firearm functioned. In this state the operator must manually cycle the firearm to bring it back to function.
In the world of weapons retention it is pretty much a given that if an assailant gets his grubby hands on your firearm that you will experience a failure to fire. The same is the norm fighting for a pistol in the holster, that the firearm when clearing the holster maybe unserviceable.
Now you can use that firearm as an effective impact weapon to create space (three pounds of steel in the face creates space) and then step to the rear and do a tap rack roll on the pistol and your up and running again.
https://www.full30.com/video/726373dada000a743f9570c9e6bf7140
Now interesting that a wheel gun doesn’t go out of battery or stovepipe etc. in physical struggles. There is a compromise when we opt for pistols for personal protection. More rounds but less reliable in a physical fight. On a personal level I’m comfortable with a pistol for self defense but for a wilderness carry I lean towards revolvers.
The failure to fire should never be the goal when going for a weapons strip, the goal is to get the gun and create space. Why create space after you get the gun? Stops the other guy from trying to grab it. It also gives you time/space to determine if it is operational. Remember if you can’t run the gun you can still point and bluff, and if all else fails it’s a significant impact weapon.
