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nothing to be gained Max , But I understand the monkey brain wanting to win.
never anything achieved , and really nothing to gain by trying to change minds(which never happens)
Dissapointing the best way to look at it .
oral historys continue to change , and the research has been done/presented so poorly you cant distinguish between fact and fiction easily.
But it makes no difference to our daily practice.
theres actually no prize for being right or wrong the prize in in the work and process.
I hope Van is ok , clearly changed his position on many things , and pushing many people away .
I will always try and hold him as the encouraging and helpfull man he was for many years, poor words and poor weeks does not cancel decades of friendship, even though he knows I disagree.
In the end were debating a definition that never has or will exist , of a thing thats just as open to interpretation.
kind of folks chasing there own tail.
Back to training for me.
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Good stuff Chris, sabre sounds great, I didn’t have the patience to get there
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If Sanchin was all that is necessary, Kanbun Sensei would not have taught Seisan and Sanseiryu. They would just be superfluous wastes of time and effort. But he did teach those, and some conditioning drills, and other techniques. And the sum total of what he left to us is what makes up the system he himself called “UechiRyu Karate Jutsu” (now, KarateDo)Whoever gets there firstest with the mostest
this kid might of just performed my favourite seisan of all time
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Now check out the guy at the start of this clip
Now taking Gushi as an unfair level … which ones reflect a chinese art?
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Very cool , fun , Im not sure my guys are ready for this , or I’m not sure I’m ready to teach it 😉
correct me if I’m wrong , but I see the catching of the release as the coil? , maybe the wrong word.
Agree with feeling it everywhere , I started with the foot needing to feel the same as the hand , but your right it needs to radiate everywhere , you need to feel it everywhere.
It’s actually the only way to get the centre.
the systema comments bang on , loose is not coiled , theres a lack of centre a lack of coil , some have it , Vasiliev IMHO is often vertical , others not so much. Im really good at wave striking but it’s not the same.
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The fact they can’t see it, its answer enough, vans looking for techniques can’t see it as principle based.
Personally I think its because of all the kata and extras, never forced to look into what there doing always looking ahead.
That whole thread is a disgrace, and has devolved into I’m the real uechi if you did it properly you’d understand.
Kanbun never did uechi
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Honestly I think the whole style thing is probably the biggest con job in history
fighting is attribute based and strategy based , and they’ve managed to make it about style and technique
drills to develop attributes and habits , became techniques….
most styles are named after a group , a family collection if training methods , or after a cover story invented in some sales pitch or deception (northern/southern mantis etc)
at some point it all became detached form reality
lots of commonality , lots of evidence of where and what the dna is , but nothing will be similar if its not the same 😉
it’s chinese boxing ….. just like boxing , its kind of pointless arguing which style of boxing …..
your really just arguing about the drills you prefer , let alone if your working them to build attributes and strategy.
Still like Kanbuns drills though … and the wakayama guys were doing version of Kakie …. wonder were they got that
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Honestly I just think Uechi is a version of some generic southern fist style , probably a version of crane but you know the groupings….. , they probably didnt name it in china anymore than Kanbun did , he used Paingainuun as a descriptive because it probably read better than southern china fist .
Shushiwa well I’ve heard he was taoist and bhuddist , and they’ve a lineage for him somewere and he seems to have taught other but not a unchanging style.
maybe they revere the past and romanticise it a little much.
How come not a single art brought back from china to okinawa (there wasn’t just one) NOT A SINGLE ONE KEPT THE NAME !!!!
did they have names ?
how long is the naming history in china ? is it as modern as karate ?
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I reckon the chinese visitors took one look , thought Kanbun , Kanei and there descendant students had gone of the rails , left no contact info in case they turned up , went home and told everyone THATS NOT UECHI!!!!!
but they probably got their book back , cause no ones seen it since.
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Saw this this morning , Gordi beat me to the reference , this meeting was first raised as an explanation of Toyama having seen the fourth kata ……
the original Im sure I heard goes the delegation visited Kanei werent impressed and asked if anyone did the original way etc and got sent to Toyama
of course they loved everything and shared there kata , hence Toyama can verify the foruth kata as being of the school of the teacher that came after kanbun , but could not confirm it was uechi-ryu….
So Vans thread on okinawan purity and conformity is now resting on the fact that the chinese think only Toyama did it properly….
I’m with Laird , who cares anymore , clearly to anyone Uechi is now a karate style it has adopted all the things known to karate and the performance style .
the main organisations have completely confused performance style for technique , so they protect the trappings , it is what Bruce Lee refers to as the classical mess.
anything more chinese is frowned at because it doesn’t follow the performance style , they do it just like Kanbun was taught by Shushiwa …. it seems Shushiwa taught 1950’s japanese sport karate in fukien about 60 years earlier?
the only thing resembling the original art are the moves in the kata , and even those have been hatcheted, thankfully if you have some real understanding you can see past the performance style, and see the techniques in a cross comparitive nature to arts from a similar era/location/evolution.
So it’s futile to think folks are going to finally accept the logic that a chinese art should look like a chinese art if it hasnt been altered.
Discussion of Kanbun changing the name to appear more japanese ? , yet nothing was changed to conform , seems there was pressure …. unless of course you ignore history .
And the biggest annoyance , the mystical Bubishi is dropped back in the mix , now Kanbun does have a book , but it’s a medicinal book from his father perhaps , and the Bubishi sections are in the Uechi Kyohan …. so someone thought they were important to put in ……. but um can we use the techniques in there or are we stuck kick punch block kumite style(read japanese karate style)
I really think TMA organisations should be examined in a mental health study , and examination of cult behaviour 🙂
great material , everything else is little loco …..
it’s fun when youve been around long enough to remember the original storys right ?
they probably have changed less than the style 😉
it’s a shame no one had a mind to stay in touch in the 70’s when the family came to visit ……
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Yup rewriting history again
Vans thread claims they called it jitsu so they didnt think it was chinese philosophy of do ….
clearly the sign was the sign , and paingainuun was a label if formally the name or not it was represented that way.
if it refers to fast , then the style has changed , if it is hakka then the style has changed 🙂
honestly TMA is just a bunch of folks worshipping there own agenda , its just fighting folks , nothing to protect if you cant keep it straight.
Love the style , very interesting , but the rest….
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http://www.nzlii.org/nz/other/nzlc/pp/PP41/PP41-3_.html
good link For NZ law
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Anyone who has an understanding or familiarity to the Chinese root styles wouldn’t be shocked by the wakayama footage but excited by it
Ive been looking at this guys Bak Mei channel he’s in calgary
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9oJAU6yEtkJXhtOoLC7Qsw
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