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Interesting layout…Rory will be here the week before and I’m still sorting out the details.
Looks like a nice package – I might just borrow a little.
Amazing he has ConCom down to three hours!
I had a series of different young fellows come into my small class over the last few months — each showed interest and promise and sounded excited about returning…
Based on what I see among my daughters’ friends I don’t think it’s you, Max…young folks are re-wired for the immediate gratification of their I-pads and other electronic what-not. They are the least physical, yet most violence oriented cohort…very strange combination.
Built for flying armed drones 4,000 miles from actual action?
I’ll be at a trade show for the next couple of days — will have a go at uploading pics again once the dust settles.
Laird, when my Blackberry died a couple years ago I lost all my contact info including yours.
My email is
Shoot me a line and I’ll send you some pics direct
Holly cats! Yes, clear as mud, but that’s okay — I have no intention of firing anything until it’s all been figured out.
Patience is a virtue
The 22. Long Rifle rounds are quite obvious and several of the firearms made for this calibre are clearly stamped and, after a really good cleaning with solvent, a brass scrubber and polished with oil — they look pretty good.
Figured I’d start with these any way.
The Marlin was cleared by the gunsmith and the box the 14 rounds of Win spl came in mentions they are good for marlin rifles…they look right and appear to fit well.
But the Mauser is clearly a mystery.
Gonna try to post a bunch of pics – upload time is an issue because it’s a busy moment – trade show time of year…
First handgun….thnking maybe a 1911 frame of some sort that takes 22 lr??
It looks like a good fit for the Mauser — The cartridge appears to fit nicely in the chamber, with room for the projectile, but when I hold the projectile to the muzzle I can clearly see it’s just a little too large a diameter for the bore…
I mentioned D.M. 491A
I took the clips apart to check the condition of the rounds and found that some of them have different stampings — KYNOCK 9 mm M
This is SO cool!
– Marlin model 1893 .32 H.P. not sure what the H.P. means yet — needs work and still trying to figure out what the ammo is for this gun.
I believe the barrel will be stamped .32 H.P.S. This model 1893 fires Winchester.32 Special. Ballistic performance is about 10% better than a 30/30. This is a much sought after leaver action for deer hunting cartridge starts to drop significantly after about 125 meters. Really good dear rifle for an region like Ontario. Some of these rifles sell up around 1700 in mint condition. Marlin started making them in this caliber around 1902…not sure but I think they discontinued around 1936. This is not a real common firearm and it may have value, If it’s functional it’s worth hanging on too.
You are correct – H.P.S. and the Wnchester .32 Special looks like a good match — I have 14 rounds in the small crate.
Here’s a link to the Club I joined…apparently the Chief Firearms Officer in Ontario is a member. The have a huge range of membership from black powder enthusiasts and cowboy shooters to competitive tactical teams to skeet etc.
And it’s pretty close to work.
Thanks Laird — that’s some seriously fun research homework!
I’m not sure what “direct from share links” means — but I did re-activate my account with photobucket so I’ll try that once I have pics to upload.
I just reset my photobucket password…um, sorry, imadoofus and can’t recall — what do I type in front of and behind the link to post a pic?? Thanks!
wow, a lot to process here — starting to go more thoroughly through your posts on the first page. Gotta say, this is fun.
Also gotta say, there is more useful information here than I have managed to get from the ‘gunsmith’, who practically stripped the slots on the slotted machine screws holding together the marlin…I can restore them, but I’m not real impressed with him or his craftsmanship. He wasn’t even able to advise me on ammo. And he got paid. Fckr!
Gaaa, what a dog’s breakfast that was.
Found a bunch of stuff which I both recognized and which looked to be in pretty good shape — a bunch of different types of 22 lr and shot gun shells in various gauges mostly 16 and 28 ga.
and some handgun ammo such as .38 scp (short colt), .38 s and w spl
then some stuff I wasn’t sure about:
Some .32 “Winchester model 1894 Remington for lee and marlin repeating rifles” stamped .32 spl…possibly for the old marlin I’m picking up?
And some proper five round clips with big cartridges stamped DM 491A
three items which all looked the same, but which were stamped different: .45 acp, .42 ra, .41 ra
455 colt
455
37 s and w
Then some of what I suspect is old military stuff with all sorts of different projectiles from lead to full jackets to what looks like wood or plastic to flat and bright red (practice .22?)
examples:
40.60 wcf
38-55
1942
D.C. 10 30 USA
1943 D1 Z
491 A (loose – not with the package of clips)
7 DS 24
DAO VI 1942
1917 VII
and, of course 303 british, which I am familiar with from the safety course
looked like a random collection of rounds someone picked up while serving in Europe in WW2. Plus a few more lead balls probably for the old black powder double barrel.
Some fantastic resources here. I spent a little time this morning and found one site where the author has laid out step by step how to check, disassemble, clean and re-assemble the bolt. Very detailed — a lot of passion there. Think it’s time to order some books that I can get grimy at my workbench.
Last night I finally opened and completely emptied the crate of ammo. Over 1500 rounds of 22lr all in it’s original packaging from Canadian Tire 1972…that’s before I even moved to Canada!
I’m going to spend some time today doing inventory because there are a lot of little mixed bits and pieces – shotgun shells of various gauges as well as a variety of very old looking centre fire cartridges…several in their original boxes which is kind of cool to see — the graphics and print technology being of a different era.
Gonna head back to the gun shop today to pick up the old Marlin as well — I had left it with their gun smith for cleaning and safety check, but I’m thinking I’ll do a lot more work on these myself before taking one in next time — comfort levels are beginning to rise and he’s a wee bit expensive, but I figured it’s good to start developing a relationship with them and sometimes the best way is to ask questions and buy product/service. They are practically just around the corner from my house and it’s good to take care of your suppliers.
Thanks Laird!
Fantastic list — great resource — Rick, we need to keep this page!!
I spent a little times today cleaning up the mouser barrel and stock — it may not be a war prize.
From what I read there are three numbers on the underside of the barrel hidden by the stock — and not to be confused with the rifle’s component part numbers (all of which are the same from the stock to the bolt to the trigger — all the same number on this one which means it wasn’t jerry-rigged together out of loose parts).
Anyway, there are three separate combinations of three number groups – 521, 399, and 155. the 155 is off to the side and could indicate the factory it was made at. the other two mean either May 1921 or march 1899.
Going with may 1921 makes it possibly a sporter type (M maybe? or K) and it has a double trigger or hair pin safety (??) which indicates it was made for the hunting consumer market. It has a 21.5″ barrel measuring from the muzzle to the receiver ring.
When the house was broken into we lost a lot of stuff we didn’t think was that valuable until we started making the list for insurance.
My wife lost some pretty emotionally valuable stuff from her mother who passed away when My wife was barely a teen.
I lost several spyderco knives, two surefire flashlights and some tools — and the airforce dagger — which was in really good condition…I had it out because I was cleaning it to better see the stamps. It was made by Tiger Solingen just before the war.
The Mauser, Browning and dagger could well have been war prizes…tough to say and all the people who would know are gone now.
Holy Cow – Laird, how do you know all this??
Awesome!
Okay, a note on condition – everything was stored in plywood crates wrapped in blankets since the early 1990’s in a damp, nay – I would even hazard – a sometimes wet basement. They were all used as hunting rifles on a series of family farms and they all have rust and pitting and grime and dirt.
I am cleaning, removing rust and oiling the outer parts; and I am polishing and cleaning the bores then taking them into a gunsmith to check for safety.
I have .22 lr snap caps and have been able to work the action on the those calibers.
Not sure where to find dummy ammo to check the rare gauges, nor where to find ammo, but it’s still early days.
Several of them have serial numbers, and I’ve tried google, but I have not been able to find anything like the histories you winged off above! Where can I look for serial number info?
I’ll post more of the barrel stamp info this weekend — curious if you have suggestions on where to find the ammo the gun dealer can’t find?
I’ll see if I can figure out how to post some pics too.
Thanks!!
